May 6th Referendum
Do you know we have a referendum coming up to vote on?
Did you know it is for $2,190,000?
From the April 16th edition of the Spartanburg Herald Journal:
“NOTICE OF REFERENDUM
$2,190,000
OBLIGATION BONDS
CHEROKEE SPRINGS FIRE
DISTRICT (LOCATED IN
SPARTANBURG COUNTY,
SOUTH CAROLINA)
Notice is hereby given that a Referendum will be held in the Cherokee Springs Fire District (the “Fire District”) located in Spartanburg County, South Carolina (the “County”) on May 6, 2008, for the purpose of submitting to all persons qualified to vote in the Fire District, under the Constitution and laws of the State of South Carolina, the following question:
Shall the Board of Fire Control of Cherokee Springs Fire District of Spartanburg County, South Carolina (the “Fire District”), be authorized to issue and sell, either as a single issue or as several separate issues, general obligation bonds of the Fire District in the aggregate principal amount of not exceeding $2,190,000, the proceeds of which shall be applied to defray the costs (including architectural, engineering, legal and related fees) of the following: (1) Purchasing land and constructing thereon and furnishing a new headquarters fire station; (2) Upgrading and renovating the Fire District’s existing fire station (Station No. 2); (3) Purchasing land and constructing thereon and furnishing a new fire sub-station or stations; (4) Purchasing a new fire engine?
In favor of the question/Yes[ ]
Opposed the question/No[ ]“
…and so on and so on. My question is: Why has this campaign been so secretive? Have you heard about it? I hadn’t until I ran across it by chance on the Spartanburg County Council’s web page. Now, the Council initially refused to support a referendum but there is a legal loophole allowing Cherokee Springs to force a referendum with or without the County’s blessing.
Most of you (hopefully) know that we go to the polls on June 10 in a general election. Why did the Cherokee Springs Fire Board not hold this referendum then? They have payed nearly $8,ooo or more to have all 4 polling stations open.
Something seems fishy.
Someone here at Votecherokeesprings has asked the coucil members some pointed questions about this referendum. We got the idea that council encouraged the Fire Board to not hold it, but, council has to allow it if pressed. One of the councilmen told us that he called Commissioner Dwight Easler after receiving many calls about this Referendum telling him that he needed to get out in the open with his intentions to the community or a whisper campaign will defeat it.
“The grassfires are burning…the wind is blowing.” ~ O’Neal Mintz
“We don’t intend to advertise it.” ~ Commissioner Easler
Huh? You don’t want to tell the community about the needs of your Fire Department? Instead, you’d rather sneak a costly referendum in on folks instead of holding it during the general election for next to nothing?
How much did McNair Law Firm in Greenville charge to write this referendum? $10,000?
How much have you paid a survey and grading company to look at land you don’t own? $500? $1000?
CSFD owns the stucco house on the corner adjacent to “tha’ Brotha’ Jimmy Robbins” on Parris Bridge Rd. In case you don’t know, Jimmy lives in the white brick house with red shutters and a red door. Drive by…you can’t miss it. Anyway, this residence was purchased with the intent of turning it into a makeshift, one truck firehouse. Well, it’s in a residence. Votecherokeesprings was told that “the residents didn’t want it.” What we’ve come to learn it that, well, it’s in a residence. Add $120,000 to the waste mentioned above.
Look, I could go on and on for an hour. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants to go against the Fire Department. Those folks risk their lives in serving us. However, I am not against the firemen. I am against wasteful spending. I believe this referendum hasn’t been thought out well and they seem to be spending money before they get it.
“At 20 mills we can replace a truck, build a building, pay the men and carry insurance.” ~ Commissioner Easler.
We are currently at 27. What are you doing with the extra 7? Surveying land?
I’ll leave you with this: Commissioner, if there was a specific need for the firemen, such as a new truck or a new HQ, why not come to the community with your plea instead of trying to sneak a referendum through that you know no one would be thinking about? That’s probably the main reason I do not support this. Sneakiness.
If you have any questions or would like to comment on the above, feel free to do so. Also, check back periodically for information regarding the Referendum on May 6 that we just didn’t get to tonight. We’d like to have an interview with one of the former firemen that worked under Murray and Easler.
April 26, 2008 at 4:01 pm
[...] entities designed to serve them. That appears to be what’s happening according to a new blog, VoteCherokeeSprings.com. It appears, if the blogger is correct, that the Cherokee Springs Fire Board is trying to sneak in [...]
April 28, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Your comments are both uninformed of legalities regarding Bond Issues and the cost of modern fire service. Your council people oppose Cherokee Springs bond because their constituents elsewhere were voted down in bond issues. I do not live in Cherokee Springs any longer but I urge you to take into account the sacrifice that people have made so that you can have a person to talk to. Dwight Easler is my dad. He has served since the 90’s as a board member and many more years before that as a firefighter. He was instrumental in changing the board to a publicly elected board so that people like you could have a voice. He walked streets like yours asking people to sign petitions so that they could publicly elect their fire board. Since the board was taken out of the hands of a few and placed in your hands as a voter, they have met faithfully every first MOnday night by law. No plan or financial record is kept secret and is at your disposal at any time.
I also urge you to think about your insurance rates and the actual fire service needs that your district has as one of the largest in SPTBG county. To not prepare for the future is to cut your own throat.
My dad gave up all rights and privileges as a member of the department when he became an elected board member. I think it is uninformed and deceptive to say that people like him are designing entities to serve themselves.
Dwight Easler
Assistant Chief
Corinth FD
April 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Legal loophole? The legal loophole is that the community( In the 90’s) of Cherokee Springs voted to independently govern its fire service. Therfore, the county council or delegation has no say in what it does within its district up to a certain limit. The Council and Delegation have historically not liked that they have no more influence over the purse strings. The loophole is that the power is in your hands! That was a community decision that was very public. Thanks for allowing comments
April 29, 2008 at 9:42 am
I know that the legal commitment to advertise was met since the referendum ran in the paper, but I too wonder, why, less than a week before the vote, I have heard nothing about the needs of the fire department nor did I even know I should vote on May 6th. When representatives came by selling family photos not long ago, nothing was mentioned of this and that would have been a great opportunity to spread the word on the needs of the department.
Numerous strategies are employed to get a necessary referendum passed and holding the election on a separate day is one of those strategies. Also, legal counsel must be employed to issue bonds. So, as a concerned taxpayer, I do not take issue with a bond referendum if it is needed, but would appreciate the opportunity to be fully informed and given ample opportunity to exercise my right to vote on an issue that affects not only my pocketbook, but my safety as well.
I will say I do not appreciate being given the contact information of the officials involved yet the critics here are faceless and there is no opportunity to contact them as well. I do not lend much creedance to anonymous complaints. Also, the “Concerned Property Owners and Spartanburg County Taxpayers of Cherokee Springs Fire District” should know that it is a federal offense to distribute flyers in U.S. Postal Boxes as has taken place this week.
I will contact the paper and ask if they can run a feature covering all of the issues so the taxpayers can have all of the facts. I definitely have my interest sparked.
April 29, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I am glad this vote was brought to my attention. I agree with Heidi in saying that I knew nothing about it and not too long ago, I had a visit from a FF selling photo packages too. I think Dwight JR. has some valid points, but the key issue here seems to sneakiness. If the Fire Department has needs then they need to get out and share those with the community. They need to include the community they serve instead of being so sneaky in expecting the community to pay such high taxes. I see a lot of waste. Also, Should Pat Murray’s wife be driving the command SUV to drop off her kids or to the grocery store? I have seen this with my own eyes and it is a question I would like answered.
Heidi, I think using the this website is a way to get in touch with
“Concerned Citizens and Property Tax Payers” (or whatever it said). I personally am just glad that the vote was brought to my attention. If not for the flyer I found in my Paper box then I would have no clue to even get out and vote on May 6th. I like being better informed about my community.
April 29, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Way to go Heidi! That is what I am talking about. The citizens in your district have the power to be informed and elect its own board. Take action, run for commissioner, vote, but don’t take part in illegal and anonymous complaints. I am sure the paper would gladly run this story but there are limits to what the FD can initiate.
April 29, 2008 at 1:55 pm
My FD conducts photo fundraisers each year as well. The rep that sells the photos is not a FD member he is a salesman. He has no working knowledge of the FD business. Therefore, he is not privy to what the FD plans to do. Like I said, I don’t live in the district and I do not know some of the answers to your questions but I know my father to be a person of character and he is not trying to decieve anyone. Even if he were what benefit would that be to him as a citizen? He gains nothing from the FD as a representative of teh district.
April 29, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Dwight, The man selling the pictures to me was the Guy that lives with his Momma across the street from Cherokee Dawgs. He rides his bike a good bit and drives a gold Honda Accord? I am sure your dad knows him, but he is very much a part of the Fire Department.
Just FYI
April 29, 2008 at 2:27 pm
If it is a FD memberI stand corrected but I would bet it was not. The salesmen will wear a tag and usually give out a letter. The photgrapher sells our photos.
A few years ago the board allowed the ladies aux to do this. My dad says this money cannot be used in the general budget. This fund is used to assist the community but it is not applied to the general fund. I don’t know all the details I just know what they do in our area. We collect about 2% of our total budget with our fundraiser.
April 29, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I do hope the paper will run the story so both sides can be told and all can make an informed decision. With a Dad who served as a Marine in WWII and then as a career policeman and public servant who was paid little of what he deserved for protecting our safety on a daily basis, I support any justified need of the fire department. I have always been impressed with the high rating (and thus reduction in homeowners premiums) I have had with the Cherokee Springs Department, particularly since it is a volunteer organization and certainly want them to maintain the quality of their service. Unfortunately, poor communication can trump good intentions, so if contacted by the paper, I hope the first department can make clear their needs so that those that come out and vote, vote in favor of making the necessary purchases, instead of against it all merely because they hate taxes or are upset by the unfortunate way the referendum was communicated to the public.
April 29, 2008 at 2:31 pm
JS - Go to the meeting and ask your questions, go to the herald journal, run for commissioner ( the board is 2 short now), if you can provide service and cut taxes please do it.
April 29, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I think it is a fine Fundraiser and a good thing to do, But every year in the past it has been a FF or somebody involved with the fire department.I almost always give them the donation.
Parris, Johnny Ray Parris, that is his name. That is who came to my house. If you grew up in CS, then you know who I am talking about.
I think this blog is rather interesting. I would never think the CS community to be so up with the times. I grew up here and continue to live here and would never think of this area having something so modern.
April 29, 2008 at 2:38 pm
That would be the best Heidi. I hope that happens.
My dad has said, ” I will respond to any question the public or teh paper might asked but I have been advised not to initiate or promote that beyond informing teh public in the paper.” I hope you understand his dilemna.
The FD board has been advised they cannot legally advertise it in a promotional way as you might want. They can respond to questions but legally they cannot initiate it for promotional purposes.
April 29, 2008 at 2:40 pm
An auxilary rep visited my house for the photo sale. I actually complimented the auxiliary members who were on hand with the photographers at the department that Saturday because they had a board detailing all of the services the auxiliary offered and I had no idea! It is wonderful what they do for the community. If only someone had thought to put another board up with the details of the department needs and referendum….it may have helped get the word out.
April 29, 2008 at 2:42 pm
JS- It is cool to be able to talk about this 30 minutes from where you are. Like I said, it is not my fight, but I urge you to stay involved and even run for office so that you can help. I would rather get up in teh middle of teh night and fight fire than try to balance the needs of citizens with the needs of firemen. I will leave that to my dad. Have a good day.
April 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Pastor - I hope that is not misguided advice. I know other entities have hired consulting firms in the past to rally community support to ensure that bond referendums pass. I can’t imagine the fire department would have more restrictions than a school district, but I don’t know all of the rules or particulars involved I am sure.
April 29, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Ms. Kearns, I apologize for the flyer in your mailbox. There are as many as 6 folks handing out flyers. I have contacted them and gave them a “retraining” on how to distribute them. Face-to-face it best.
Yesterday, Monday, was the last day for flyers. Today we will have 50 3X4 signs coming off the presses. Thurday, we will have 4 5X7 signs at various businesses throughout Cherokee Springs. We will also have a rented lighted sign on 221 (hopefully).
Anonymity is sometimes key to dissent. I have not said, nor will I say, anything libelous or slanderous, pastor.
The “illegal” part, I guess, was one misguided volunteer in a hurry. That has been corrected.
As far as anonymous complaints, the person that called Chief Murray, Commissioner Easler, Councilmen Britt, Horon and Mintz, and various county administrators was open, in person, and stated their name and business. We are transparent, not invisible.
Finally, there are limits to what the Fire Department can initiate, BUT, they are currently, at this moment, driving fire truck(s) around to businesses campaigning for the referendum. Shouldn’t they have done this in March when they filed to hold the referendum? Hello? Diesel is $3.99/gallon. I know, I know, if there’s a fire they need to be in their trucks. Agreed. But, this is clearly a great example of the waste I am bringing to light. They should be doing so on their own time in their own vehicles. I do.
JS, I have seen Ms. Murray driving the command vehicle, too. I never gave much thought to it until this referendum came to light. I think her kids go to one of the schools downtown, way out of the district. Others have come forward having seen the vehicle at Ingle’s as well. However, I guess this is just “hearesay”, right? Or, is it waste and abuse.
April 29, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I just came from a local business where I saw fire fighters out driving around the community in fire trucks trying to drum up support for this bond. It seems to me to be a little too late to be pushing for votes and more than a bit wasteful with gas at $3.50 or so per gallon - why didn’t they try to gain support before now, they have known about it for months!
April 29, 2008 at 3:04 pm
votecherokeesprings - “Anonymity is sometimes key to dissent.” Sorry but I call BS on this one. ONE person came out and said their name? Sorry, but the internet allows anonymity which is WRONG! If you have opinion, you should have the resolute to own up to it. ANONYMOUS should not be able to try to bad mouth an entire, well meaning, albeit possibly misguided, organization. Before the Internet, we had letters to the editor (and still do) you have to be identified in order to be credible. If your opinions are correct, you will not convince me (and many others) unless you can make your case as a PERSON, not some trumped up organization.
April 29, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Will the meeting Monday night be at the station on Flatwood at 7pm? Please post confirmation because I would like to attend. THANKS!
April 29, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Ms Kerns, there is more than one person here. The purpose of this blog is not to misguide you. The purpose is to have you research it for yourself, to make you aware, and to let you make the decision for you.
Credible or not, you are looking into it. You are doing exactly as we intended. Researching.
If you will show me where I or anyone else here has badmouthed anyone, we will retract it.
I hope it is just a misunderstanding.
April 29, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Yes, the meeting is Monday May 5 at 7. We will be there, as well.
April 29, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Also, Ms Kerns, if you don’t mind me asking, do you vote in District 7? Possibly in Whitney?
April 29, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Nope - District Two - why? That is why I want to support the fire department if at all possible. They have been quick to respond to my needs for many years and I want to see that continue. I wouldn’t be responding to this if it wasn’t my fire district.
April 29, 2008 at 3:50 pm
votecherokeesprings and Heidi, Obviously coming from another fire district I cannot speak to daily operations. I am at the limit of my knowledge. However, as I have said earlier. Stay involved and if the system needs change the run for office and fix it. That is what my dad fought for 12 years ago. Every community needs people like you all to take action.
I guess I spoke up primarily to defend my dad’s intentions and character. He has consistently gotten the most votes from the community which speaks to his integrity and strait forward attitude. Vote repsonsibly and with a good conscience on May 6th and you will not go wrong. Go to the meeting on May 5 and asked all the questions you can. If there is waste fix it! My last comment, I promise
God Bless
April 29, 2008 at 4:13 pm
VOTE CHEROKEE, I do feel that it is good to get the community involved. I will be honest, I had no idea that the fire board had open seats . I recall Mr. Easler not having anybody run against him in the last election. So, Dwight JR. has a good point. We all need to get involved. If you or somebody involved in your campaign is qualified, then get out there and get involved.
I think this blog is a good tool, it has gotten people like Heidi and me asking questions. I am surprised that the community is this riled up about anything. But, a tax increase usually gets people talking.
I think the blogger was very honest when he or she said ” WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE AGAINST WASTEFUL SPENDING” I think changes need to be made before the bond is issued. I am voting against this bond , b/c I have spoken to several Fire Fighters since the flyer was left in my box. They all feel that for now CSFD is well equipped, but needs some leadership other than Pat Murray. I do not know Pat Murray personally, but I have not heard one person speak highly or kindly of him. and like I said, I wonder why his wife often drives the command SUV around town and to the store? I can understand him driving it if a Fire breaks out, but she is not involved with the FD in anyway.
So, I will vote against the bond until it is better planned and better explained to the community.
April 29, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I am willing to hear what they say on Monday night before I make a decision. Since the expense has already taken place to make this happen, if it is appropriate, I would rather vote on it now, then have to pay again to bring it back in the future. I would encourage the fire department to have as many details and financial records available at the meeting Monday night to back-up and justify the request for the bond referendum. THANKS!
April 29, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I do believe some people have been making things up. I AM THE CHIEF’S WIFE. I HAVE NEVER DROVE THE SUV NOR DO I EVER PLAN TO. I’m not covered under the insurance policy to drive this vehicle and with three vehicles of my own why would I need to. I have riden in the vehicle as well as my children. You have an issue with the fire department NOT with me and my children. DO NOT involve us. All my children attend school here in district two only because my job and my husband’s salary does not allow me to take them to a private school.
April 29, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I will have no further participation with this issue. I will not comment any further on the attacks on me and my children. All questions should be directed to my husband at Cherokee Springs Fire Department pertaining only to fire department business
April 30, 2008 at 6:25 am
In 1997, when I was a young teacher living alone in the lower part iof the state, I had a devastating house fire. I lost all my material processions and even my beloved dog. As a 23 year old, this was a very difficult thing to endure. The fire Department came that day and was very helpful. For this reason alone, I usually feel a huge need to support the fire department. But, last week when this vote was brought to my attention I was stunned. My first thought was that I could not possibly go AGAINST the FD. So, I started asking questions. The answers I got were awful. I will not publish them here, because I do not want to start a mudslinging event against anybody. I will tell you that I learned of a lot of waste and under handing dealings going on with the CSFD. I talked to several people that feel they have been force off the squad because of current management issues. I also talked to some city firefighters who shared with me facts about how the county fire districts spend money ( all of these FF worked for a county department at one time).
Anyway, I did my own research and I am truly surprised. As a taxpayer in this district I am going to vote against this bond. My no vote, does not signal I am against CSFD, it signals that I am against wasteful spending of my tax dollars. I respect the firemen and their very hard work for our district, but I can not see how taxing the community an additional $2,190,000 is going to come of any good at the present time.
April 30, 2008 at 9:49 am
Joy,
I have 18 years of firefighting experience starting at CSFD when I was 17 years old. I know enough about firefighters to know that they like to throw rocks at each other to make themselves look better. I am sure all of those “city” firefighters never see waste from their “city” administrators. Firefighters love to play hypocrite until it hits their home. I live outside of STBG and I know for a fact that you can operate a fire department on less than what your county departments operate on. However, your county departments serve you better than our county departments because they are better prepared. My department is all volunteer and it takes us 5-6 minutes to get a truck rolling. It takes your department 2.
Those “city” firefighters work in a system that spends millions of dollars per year but they wouldn’t know that because they do nothing but their job as firefighters. If they questioned their administrations spending habits they would called upstairs quickly.
The fact is, most firefighting money is spent on things that may or may not happen. Fire Departments are asked to be all things to all people. We want them to be highly trained but do it for free. We want them to have every piece of equipment necessary to perform firefighting, Hazmat Operations, Vehicle Extrication, and also help granny when her toe hurts. We have to comply with OSHA, NFPA, DOT, ISO, and IFSTA. The general public does not understand the burden this places upon people who have to balance budgets and comply with state and national standards. They see firefighters driving around inspecting hydrants for ISO records and they think they are trying to get votes! The bottom line is, if you want a state of the art Fire Department it is going to cost alot of money. Last year my rural fire deaprtment ran 253 calls. only 23 of which were structure fires. We ran 180 medical calls! We only ran 23 structure fires the whole years with all volunteers and we still spent $120,000 on things like gear, truck payments, fuel, insurance, physicals, testing, training, etc… Have you looked at the CSFD budget? Do you know how much it cost to pay for 1 paid firefighter? Do you know that 1 paid firefighter equals 4 volunteers in the eyes of your insurance company? You are asking your community fire department to lower your insurance rates with paid firefighters but you do not want them to have adequate housing for them. Before you vote no, I encourage you to listen to more than 6 people who want full service for nothing or a few hypocritical firefighters who want to throw rocks from glass houses.
The idea that fire departments are wasteful is legitimate if you think that preperation for any type of emergency is not legitimate. No one wants a fully prepared fire department until they need to call 911.
April 30, 2008 at 11:46 am
I have a problem with people sneaking around delivering fliers. If you have a problem with the Fire Department & it’s LEADERS, have some guts & Show your face & Name to the community. I for one am pleased with the progress & growth the department has made. If not for them, We would all be in trouble. I would hate to know if I my house was on fire or any other emergency for that fact, the department wouldn’t have the equipment or training to take care of me. I myself spend more on junk everyday than what they are asking for. Ask yourself how much you spend on eating out or just stopping by a store to buy a drink or snack. We spend a lot more in a week than what they want in a YEAR. Nobody wants higher taxes, but we all want to be protected IF we need them.
April 30, 2008 at 11:59 am
Paula you are right!,
Your firefighters do not just put out your house. They have to service industry, handle Hazmat incidents and vehicle accidents(without tax compensation) on HWY 85, and run medic calls, and save you if you are drowning with a dive team! And guess what? When you call 911 you want them there within 5 minutes or less. In addition, to all of this professional response you want them to make sure your insurance rates drop when ISO comes around again.
The ridiculous notion that all this can be done for pennies on teh dollar is devoid of reality in todays demanding world. There is waste in every fire department because of mistakes made. But every fire department I know of plays a game of catch up trying to do everything the public wants with small amounts of money.
3 of you fire engines in your district are over 15 years old. Since you need at least 5 Engines to service your needs you know how much money that is going to cost? Try $300,000 per unit as a low ball figure.
Most fire experts recommend a minimum response of 3 people on an Engine company and alot of cities are going with 3 or 5 man responses. After hours you are responding 1 paid person from your station if a volunteer is not their with them. That does not even approach national standards. That mere cost of basic service is what people are not getting here.
April 30, 2008 at 12:13 pm
As a concerned taxpayer and citizen, I will be doing a lot more research on the subject before making a decision. I have no objection to better service from the FD, all based on adequate training, equipment, facilities, etc…. After reading the comments here and speaking with a few others in the community and a lengthy discussion with a County Council Member - I think one of the best actions for me and the others in the community to take will be to attend the Monday evening meeting. BUT, I would recommend to the Board and others attending that they be prepared to answer a good many questions. As I stated above, I will be doing research myself and hope that the members of the FD and governing board are prepared to answer ALL questions.
As for name calling and the trivial comments made on both sides - lets act like responsible, mature ADULTS and work this out in a peaceful way. I’m quite sure no way is hiding behind mailboxes or trying to do anything illegally - BOTH sides are just trying to get their word spread and unfortunately the way the process was begun - there isn’t much time to accomplish what they want to do and they did what they thought was best.
I am concerned about a tax increase. And unfortunately that will have a bearing on my decision because of the economy at this time - we should EXPECT that this will be a very BIG issue. Let’s not be so naive to think it won’t.
My hope is that all concerned will do their own research and make a well educated decision based on the facts available. Which includes information that can be provided at the meeting on Monday evening.
April 30, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Paula,
Your fire district has 3 fire engines that were purchased before I left CSFD. That makes them at least 12-18 years old. Based on your community need they will have to be replaced sooner rather than later. Do you know that will cost at least $300,000 per unit? My point above is that it is no longer my grandpas fire department. They put out your house, serve industry, handle HAZMAT incidents and vehicle accidents on 85, run medical calls and dive team calls. It cost alot of money to house and keep up with all of that equipment and pay full time firefighters.
April 30, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Pastor, My post was not meant to be a debate. I could tell you some of the things I have learned, but again, I am not going to start mudslinging. The things I learned are from firemen that worked at CSFD . I know you are partial to your dad and what he says. That is fine, but I am NOT going to debate you on the things I have learned from very trusted sources. I also am not going to post them here out of respect of the Fire Department. Again, I respect the fire fighters and the work they do on a daily basis, but I am not going to let the commissioner and board try to trick me. I am an avid voter. I honestly can say I vote in every election. Even the ones most people will not go out in the rain for.So, the fact that I had to learn about this bond vote second hand, means it was not well communicated to the community. Anyway, I am not going to mudsling, nor am not going to debate you. My post was MY OPINION and I am entitled to it. It is also my right to vote every which way I see fit.
BTW, You said several posts backs that it was your last post on the topic (since you didn’t have a dog in the fight) . I guess that was just a joke, huh?
April 30, 2008 at 1:59 pm
pastorinthewoods,
You are exactly right, it does cost alot of money, that’s why I DON’T have a problem with this. It seems to me that maybe somebody didn’t get their way in the department. My father Watson Stephens helped get the FD started. I know what it takes, I also own my buisness in which I have to buy high priced diesel fuel to run it. Again, I hope I never need the FD, but if I do I want them to have all the training & equipment they could possibly need.
April 30, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I would just like to say that nobody hid behind a mailbox to inform me about the upcoming vote, a nice young gentleman knocked on my door and personally handed a flyer to me. I am very grateful to him for that, otherwise, I would have known nothing about this matter. I have absolutely nothing against the fire department or fire fighters - I am very glad and thankful to have them. I do have a problem with wasteful spending, especially with the way the economy is now. Now, at least I have some idea of what is going on and the opportunity to research the matter and make an intelligent and informed decision.
April 30, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Joy,
Sorry for not keeping my word I am speaking up for myself now as a firefighter. I know every department has management problems including mine. However, disgruntled employees should not cost a community like yours credible fire service. I know more of the full picture of the future needs and I also know a few of the disgruntled individuals so it is no surprise to me that you found someone to talk to.
Even if the department changes managers or chiefs the financial and equipment needs will not go away. Cherokee Springs must house and maintain an increasing amount of firefighters and equipment to keep up with population and growth in the community. If the fire department changes leadership tomorrow that will not change the need. Management is a debate for another day and possibly for the next election.
I am speaking to you as a firefighter and I think all of those firefighters you spoke to who are still in the fire service would agree that the cost of modern day firefighting is very high because of its demands.
Your point is graciously taken
April 30, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Pastor, I know this is not your fight. But the fact remains that we are being taxed at 27 mils. 27. According to your own dad, the FD can sustain itself at 20 mils. There should be money at 27 mils to keep up with the needs of the department. That is one thing I was told. There were others I will not get into. But, my point still being that if your dad feels that the department can sustain itself at 20 and we are currently at 27, then why increase it even more at the cost of the average tax payer?
I know that FF’s as a rule are not rich people. I am a Special Education teacher myself, so I know first hand there are lots of people out there that do not go into a career for the money.
Again, I am not against the fire fighters here at CSFD. I am against the waste of tax dollars.
I have three small kids I have to raise and provide for them in an economy that is extremely tight. I would think the CSFD could honestly look at ways to better tighten their belt, just as we all are during this time of recession and high prices. I have asked several people outside of the department if the need is there and each time I am told no. Now, of course people inside the department are going to say , ” YES , YES, YES, we need more!” SO, that is why I looked for trusted outside sources. You, BTW are very partial to your dad and you only know what your dad has told you. SO, please realize that you come across being very ” know it all” in your post. I trust that you know about current fire equipment, but to be honest, current fire equipment is really not my main concern. My concern is for the wise use of the money already being alloted for the department.
Thanks you for caring about something that doesn’t really have an affect on you, but realize to me, it often comes across as you ” fighting” for your dad’s issues. These are things he should have brought to the community months ago, not after the vote as been brought out in the open a week before it is to be decided.
Now, pastor, if I am not mistaken, we both need to get ready for church
April 30, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Joy,
I thought you didn’t want to debate. I am taking up for my dad and my my home department.
How will your department replace 900,000 to 1.5 million dollars woth of fire trucks in teh next 5-10 years if they are not putting money back for it.
God to the meeting and find out. This sight is real nice as long as everyone talk about things they “have heard” Sorry to hijack your sight with another side of the issue that might make sense to others.
It seems you do not like to hear the truth another side. I hope you attend church tonight.
God Bless
April 30, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Hello citizens of CSFD
My name is Wayne Tipton. Currently I hold the position of secretary for the Board of Fire Control of the Cherokee Springs Fire Department. I have recently become aware of this web page and after reading through the comments, I am compelled to respond. First, I’ll give you a little information about myself. I have lived in the Cherokee Springs community since 1977. I became a member of the fire department in 1987. I am one of the individuals responsible for getting the commissioners elected by the community instead of being appointed by the county delegation. I was one of the first group of commissioners elected instead of being appointed. After serving six years I decided to not run for re-election.
In 2006, I rejoined the commission board and attended my first meeting in December of that year.
Now that you know some of my history, I want to address the bond issue. The bond issue was initiated prior to me rejoining the board. The McNair Law firm was hired to process the bond through legal channels. Let me add here that not one of the commissioners are attorneys by trade or otherwise. Now if any of you need something done outside your expertise what do you do to reach your goal? Do you beg or deceive others to perform the task? I wouldn’t think so. If you’re a decent person you hire someone. That is what this commission board did. Now, I do not know the exact date or how long the bond process was in motion prior to my rejoining the board. I was briefed as to why the bond was being pursued. An up to date fire house is needed. Over time the purchase of newer more modern equipment required improvements to the current fire station. The fire station grew from two bays to six bays in order to house the equipment. Then the two original bays were converted to an operations center / training / commissioner meeting room reducing the number of bay back to four. Some vehicles had to be moved outside under metal sheds. The old training area at the upper level in back was converted to storage area and the Chiefs office. With the hiring of paid firemen part of the Chiefs office had to be converted into a bedroom each night. Due to all the expansion the electrical wiring in the original bays was not adequate to service the new additions. This caused a second electrical service to be installed (less expensive than rewiring existing wiring) this action proved to be more costly in the long term due to having to pay for two services. The roof leaks due to the new additions. We have an estimate of $25,000 minimum just to patch the roof. WOW speaking of a makeshift firehouse this must rank up there with the best of them!!! If you pull a truck out of the bay to wash it, the front of some trucks will protrude into the road blocking part of it. The other trucks end up at the edge of the road. This condition creates a safety hazard for firemen and motorist when they are cleaning trucks. Who knows when a vehicle will come speeding over the hill. The heating bill (propane gas) cost $11,000 this year alone. Currently we have only males working at the fire department. What type of additions will have to take place if a female is hired? By law we cannot discriminate, but must provide a separate living space for each sex. The main station and the sub station on Sandy Ford Road are inadequate for the needs of the fire department. The main station has served the fire department since 1966. With all the growth over the last decade and the potential growth in the future (especially on the 221 corridor) we as commissioners must plan to provide our firefighters with adequate facilities and equipment to help them protect out community. Look, I could go on for an hour describing the bad conditions at these stations. Nobody, I mean NOBODY should have to live and work in these conditions.
Now getting back to the bond issue, Over the last year (2007) up to January 2008 at the regular commissioner meetings, which are scheduled for the first Monday of each month and open to the public, the board voted on three different occasions to approve the bond resolution to be submitted to the Spartanburg County Council. Sometime in this time frame, the county council refused to approve any bond for fire departments. The county council insisted that a referendum be run before they would approve a bond for the fire departments. Finally on February 18, 2008 a public hearing before county council took place and they adopted a resolution ordering a bond referendum for the fire district and first reading of bond ordinance. At this time our attorneys informed us that the fire department can not spend any tax dollars on promotion of this bond issue. Also at the same time a list of dates was given to us to decide when to hold the referendum. Without scrutinizing those dates our response was to seek earliest date possible (May 6). After all, this has been an exhausting process and we wanted to get it completed. On March 7, 2008 a 60-day notice of the bond referendum was publicized in the Spartanburg Herald-Journal. It was publicized again on March 21 and April 16.
We have done everything legally that we were suppose to do to process and inform the community of what we were doing.
Now I’ve read that we should be getting out into the community and informing everyone one about the bond issue. Now I ask you, how do you propose we do this? Canvas each neighborhood? Put up Billboard signs? Run more ads in the paper? Who will pay the cost of this? The fire department can’t. Do you expect the volunteers and commissioners to use their personal time and finances to inform you? These folks are already volunteering a great deal of their time to the community. Do you expect them to give more because you failed to keep abreast of what is going on in the community?
I’m open to suggestions here as to how you should be informed?
There’s a lot of information on how much money we’ve spent. None of that information is accurate. Except for the house on Parris Bridge road we have only spent about $2500 as a retainer for the property that we are evaluating for a fire house. That retainer will be refunded if the property deems unsuitable for our use.
There is one thing that’s being said that is correct. There is something fishy and sneaky going on. But it’s not the fire department or members of the commission board. These comments are one thing that I take offense to. Those anonymous folks making those statements have insulted the integrity of each member of the board of fire control who give of their time and finances to serve the community without any financial return to themselves. You must remember we live in the community and pay taxes also. Do you think we love paying taxes? “Hello” I know of no one that enjoys taxes.
Why don’t you folks be honest and truth-full about these allegations? Get your facts correct before yelling wolf!! Are you really trying to help the community or serving yourselves?
April 30, 2008 at 4:40 pm
All of the people on this site, if they seem to have problems with the bond and why it is needed, then please feel free to ride by the station and ask for a tour, look at the walls seperating and look where the men have to sleep. The station was built some time ago, and was built for voulenters, not paid staff. The district is growing and the need for a new station is needed. I understand that waisting money is a big issue, but you have to understand, either it is going to be now or later, either way it is going to happen. Half of the people dont know what is going on in their fire district becaue the choose not to be involved, untill something like this happens, thats a crying shame. If your are going to be involved now, where were you in the past? Everyone should be apart of this because not only is it bettering the C.S.F.D. but it is also bettering the community? If
April 30, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Thank You Wayne Tipton & Unknown. Maybe the ones fussing will take a look at the department
April 30, 2008 at 7:25 pm
you are welcome Paula, like i said i dont want to get anybody upset, but i think before people start makeing such big decions on this matter i think they need to find out all of the truth not just the negative parts. I know we are talking about alot of money, but would you put a price tag on your home or family. Yes raising taxes is not a good thing right now but like wayne said this is an isue that has been going on for a long time, why now such a big issue. If the fire dept was trying to hide something why would they invite the public to the station, and why would they be willing to talk about it. I think personally people need to understand the whole situation before putting up signs everwhere. thank you for the web site and letting people voice their opinion
April 30, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Well my personal opinion on the matter is that is the Fire Department did not need the bond they wouldnt go threw the trouble of trying to get it. I have toured the fire station many times and the men that stay over 24 hours have to sleep in a small day bed in which most of their feet hang off the end. What I dont understand is the firemen go out and risk their lives and take chances of never seeing their families again and you people are complaining about a tax increase.
About the tax increase… you have to understatnd that with the new station built it will probably and I say probably help your insurance.
But you know what. I know times are hard but you people who are against it need to think about things before you go blabber mouthing around about this stuff. That is my word of advise for anyone who has spoken about it badly. If you have any questions about this be more than happy to contact a commisioner about the prolem and im sure they will be glad to answer the question.
April 30, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Hello to all. I am a fire fighter at another county fire district. I know a few of the guys at csfd, and I try to keep up with neighboring districts for a few reasons. I don’t know all the details, I can only speak about what I know and have heard.
I too invite any one to visit and tour either of csfd’s stations and then visit other county stations. I think that if some of you would see the difference with your own eyes you might have more of an open mind. I have seen worse but it is right up there. I know they have got a new rescue truck with a lot of new equipment that they didn’t have before, which is a step in the right direction. I would hate to see it stop there due to some miss guided dislike of some of the administration. I think is is a bad idea to punish the employees by not giving them a chance to have a better place to work, eat, sleep, train, gather, and be proud of saying that they work at csfd. I dont think that if I worked there that I could be proud of that station. The board of commissioners is elected if you have a problem or think you can do a better job then they are, I urge you to run for a seat on the board. The people of Cherokee Springs have voted all the members in and can vote them out if they feel the need. If anyone posting on this site has voted for any of the commissioners in the past you only have your self to blame. I know our lives are busy and it is hard to stay on top of all the business at federal, state, and local gov’t. That is why we have elections, We have the power to change the people incharge. I think anyone with questions should go to the meeting on monday and ask them, get the answers and form you on opinion. And please be open minded.
In my opinion I would vote yes to a new station and then vote new commissioners if you don’t like how the ones in place are doing. Sorry if I made any of them mad. I will be reading and posting till monday, I wish I could atend the meeting. If any of you have question that I might could answer feel free to ask, I will answer what I can.
April 30, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Thanks for the backup 264! That was my point exactly.
Dwight Easler Jr
Dep. Chief CorinthFD
May 1, 2008 at 11:04 am
The administrator of this site should have the decency to put Mr. Tiptons response on the first page of this site since they wanted the public to know the whole truth. He has told you.
I wonder with gas prices so high how much money has been spent in opposition to this? Counting printing cost you have probably spent enough to cover you personnal tax burden for the referendum for several years. I think most people would rather “waste” their money protecting the community.
May 1, 2008 at 11:14 am
After some research - Here are some questions/concerns I have and I think the community would like to know also.
Why $2,000,000 +? - A fire dept in the area built a nice building for @ $800,000. What type of building are you planning to build that would need so much money?
Is the new site a centrally located site that will have better access and better serve all of the fire district? From what I have heard - it is not “centrally” located - shouldn’t the fire station be in a better location for the areas it serves?
What is the duration of the bond? - 10yrs - 20 yrs? How long will we see this increase in taxes?
With some recent errors in judgement concerning spending of funds (i.e. property on Parris Bridge Rd.) - How can we be sure this $2,000,00 + will be spent wisely? Thus - the questions above concerning buildings and location.
I realize the need for a new department is there - but there are some serious issues that need to be addressed before making such a large step as to ask for $2,000,000 +.
I also realize CSFD is one of the largest in Sptbg county - Has there ever been the idea of going the the County Council and asking for rezoning to get help because the area is so large to cover? Or perhaps spread the paid firemen to the substation that is not manned - to ease the crowding at the main station?!? Is there more land owned by the FD at that location to build upon?
And again I say - I don’t think there is a “sneakyness” happening on either side of this issue - people are just trying to get their voices heard the best way they know how.
May 1, 2008 at 11:30 am
As the Vice President of the Auxiliary for Cherokee Springs Fire Department, I would like to address the photo sales fund raiser. The Auxiliary does not recieve any money from the working budget and we must raise our money. We have an outside company to do the photo sales and we receive over half of all money donated when the person comes around. (by the way… it was not Johnny Ray Parris doing our selling, but someone from out of town). The auxiliary spends this money on purchasing additional items for the station (aed machine, infared camera, changing out the heating / air conditioning unit, etc.). We also assist with fire prevention items for your children during fire prevention week. At structure fires, the auxiliary provides food / drinks for the firefighters. If a structure fire damages your home, we try to provide assistance through clothing, medicine and a place to stay until the Red Cross arrives. We are a volunteer organization and provide our own transportation to these scenes.
If you want to voice your opinion, you are welcomed to attend the auxiliary meetings the last Tuesday of every month at the main station - 6:00 pm. The commissioners also meet the first Monday of every month at 7pm.
May 1, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Who says that purchase was an error on Parris Bridge rd. Maybe CSFD needs a station on Parris Bridge rd area to meet distribution needs? They have been studying their needs for over 3 yrs. Maybe they know it will take to house their firefighters and equipment.
The county council has no authority to rezone a publicly elected fire district.
May 1, 2008 at 2:40 pm
LET ME ASK YOU THIS? WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? HE SURE AS HECK WOULDN’T BE SITTING HERE DOWNING ALL OF YOU OVER SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THIS. FACT OF THE MATTER IS..YES WE MIGHT NEED A NEW FIRE STATION, BUT YOU AREN’T GOING TO GET IT NOW BECAUSE YOU WENT ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY. INSTEAD OF JUST COMING OUT AND ASKING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT, YOU HAD TO SNEAK AROUND AND HIDE IT FROM US? ARE WE NOT ENTITLED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON? WE LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY? WE PAY TAXES, INCLUDING THE TAXES THAT ARE GOING TO YOUR SHINNY NEW FIRE DEPT. IF YOU CAN’T BRING IT TO THE PEOPLE THEN YOU SHOULDN’T GET WHAT YOU WANT.
AND AS FAR AS THIS BLOG GOES, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FIRE DISTRICT AND I THINK THEY NEED TO STAY OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THEIR INFORMATION IS HEAR SAY, AND THEY DON’T REALLY KNOW THE FACT BECAUSE THEY DON’T LIVE HERE.
I WILL SAY THIS, IF THEY WANT THIS 2 MILLION DOLLARS, I SAY GIVE IT TO THEM, BECAUSE IN THE END THEY WILL REGRET IT..JUST LIKE THE 7 BILLION DOLLARS WE ARE IN DEBT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE WAR WE ARE IN. JUST REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE. SO CHOSE WISELY BECAUSE THIS COULD MAKE OR BREAK YOU.
May 1, 2008 at 3:13 pm
pastorinthewoods Says:
May 1, 2008 at 11:04 am
“The administrator of this site should have the decency…”
Be careful with your insinuations, pastor. You know me not, nor I, you.
The title of this site is “VoteCherokeeSprings”, not “Vote NO CherokeeSprings” or “Vote YES CherokeeSprings”.
As far as putting so-and-so’s post here or there, no one here has more pull over the other. I have not deleted, edited or changed anyone’s post, nor will I. I will, however, boot you and your alter-ego off if you wish to claim insight into my morality. It’s first come, first served. EVERYONE’S opinion is welcome and each one weighs the same.
You have a blog. Go rank opinions there.
“Everyone has one…they all stink. “
May 1, 2008 at 3:24 pm
People that dont want csfd to get this bond dont know the whole story they are listening to wat will save them money. I have toured the station many times and the walls are cracking, the celing has holes in it because it sags down when it rains, the paid men have a little bed that they sleep on. The new station is needed, the board meetings have been the 1st monday of every month for a long time and i bet noone from the public shows to much. Everyone is complaning about csfd hiding it, sneeking aroud yalls backs if they were then why was it posted in the paper at three different occasions. If the board and the cheif have come to the 2 mills then why contridict them they know the fire service haow many people in the community have tried firefighting, how many of you know what it takes to build a fire department that the guys that work their need to do their job the way it supposed to be done. So i do believe that the CHEROKEE SPRINGS FIRE DEPARTMENT needs this bond
thank you
May 1, 2008 at 8:19 pm
All I have to say about the bond and the people putting the fire dept. down is that you all need to get the facts right. From what I have read yall really dont know alot of what you are talking about. If you all would go to the meetings on the first Monday of every month then you would stay up to date on what is going on and why they need the bond. The bond has been talked about in the public meetings for over 2 years. They have not been trying to hide it or be sneaky about it. They have done everything legally that they were supposed to do. I will say that they need to be some change on the board and in November you will get a chance to make that change. They will be 3 sets on the ballot this November. I do think the biggest change should be to the chairman of the board. So be sure that you get out and vote in Novermber and help make that change. And also vote on May the 6th. But please go to the board meeting on Monday and find out ALL the facts first. One last thing, I think it was VERY sorry that someone would bring the Chiefs wife and kids into this. They have nothing to do with it. Leave them out of it. They have done nothing wrong.
May 1, 2008 at 8:37 pm
if they do raise the taxes 2mil. on $100,000 home that’s around $8. That’s lunch at Southern BBQ ONE TIME. So I look at miss one time eating out or have appropiate firehouse to respond to my house on fire? Not a tough decision.
May 2, 2008 at 2:17 am
let me just say, to those of you that say they need it, give it to them. you have blinders on, you are not seeing the whole picture.
I also live in the Cherokee Springs Fire Department coverage area, I was with the department for a little over 15 years, and I’m still in the fire service. The problem is with the way this is being handled, where is the new station going, how much is it, where is the extra money going.
eagleman I’m sorry, your wrong, they are sneaky and underhanded. I have seen this with my own eyes.
As for as Mrs Murray I can not say yes or no, but I do know that Chief Murray uses the Chief’s vehicle for more then his duties as Chief. He has no reason to be riding around in other fire districts, and I’m not count neighboring districts.
Commissioner Easler will find loop holes to serve his own agenda even if the other six commissioners and chief think otherwise.
Christie, I had a lot on me while at Cherokee Springs and if I never said thank you to the Auxiliary let me do so now THANK ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH!
Paula, you must not go by the fire department to often, you would only know a handful of people, (sorry that is all they have now) you would know less of them. Your father was and still is loved and missed dearly! If he were around he would be fighting mad about the way things are being handled and I believe you know this to be true.
Wayne thank you for giving to the Fire Department once again, your intelligence is greatly needed, but you know all the ducks are not in a row on this one, and it is not fair to the people to ask for money and not be able to tell them (US) where and how the funds are to be spend.
Once again Mrs Rollins hit the nail on the head, the proposed location for a new station is ludicrous, it would not serve the tax payers well at all. A new Station is needed but not on the edge of our district and in the middle of what MAY OR MAY NOT be an area of growth.
Please tell all who live in our little corner of this world to get out and vote, go to the meetings find out what is going on with our money. Once this is passed and the new station is built, we have to live with it for years. lets make sure it is the most feasible location for all our needs.
Thank you for taking time to read the information that was afforded to you, and I pray that the right choice will be made.
GOD BLESS!
May 2, 2008 at 9:12 am
To onewhoknows.
You are right about Commissioner Easler. He has to go. I think that everyone that knows him and goes to the board meetings knows that. The issue with Cheif Murray driving the cheifs vehicle in other parts of the county, He has things he has to do in other parts of the county and so their for he has to leave the district from time to time. And also the board has ask him to drive the vehicle all the time due to him being on duty 24/7. Not to mention he IS the lowest paid Cheif in the county. I will ask that you and everybody else go to the meetings and get informed.
May 2, 2008 at 9:57 am
Hello to all again.
Teresa about the building be nice for 800,000 I am sure it is but will it meet there needs in five to ten years or will they be looking to build again a few years. As for the station being centrally located, when dealing with mulitple stations it is better for the trucks to respond in to the center then have to go center out. From what I understand most of the call they respond to are in the area where they are looking to build, or close by.
There is no crowding issue at the station it’s only one man after five pm. partly because there is no room to put more men on 24 shift.
Rebecca
How are they being sneaky. They have posted it in the paper and all meetings a public, it is certainly not thier fault you didn’t read or attend.
Some of us posting on this site know more than you think we do.
Jane Doe
Thank you for putting it in perspective.
Onewhoknows
By a few of your statments you obviously do not know. The chief has to be able to respond to calls if he is out of district handling fire department business.
May 2, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Before you pile on chairman Easler know this.
1. He is elected by the board as the chairman he is not self appointed!
2. He cannot control the actions of the board beyond mnoderating the meetings. The agenda is established by the board.
3. His opinions and positions are set by teh board. He legally has to enforce teh boards decisions.
4. If he is not trustworthy why is he consistently erlected chairman of teh board? Why is he consistently recieveing the most votes in teh elections?
I know this for a fact:
1. He takes his positions of moderator seriously and will not allow the electedboard to be run over by disgruntled employees on personnel issues.
2. He will actively enforce the boards decisions until they tell him otherwise.
Before you pile on your scape goat remember there are 6 others that make the decisions he is legally bound to enforce!
May 2, 2008 at 2:35 pm
When you make your decision to run for the board, remember that the chairman of the board is elected by the board members. If you become chairman you will have to decide that you must uphold the decisions of the board no matter how loud the crowd gets around you.
That is a tough position that I am sure is not easy when the disgruntled public or disgruntled firefighters don’t get their way at the time.
It is also a position that makes you the scape goat when people disagree with the board.
I have a sneaky suspicion that Mr. Easler is tough enough to handle it and that is why the board elects him over and over again as the chariman and those who want to manipulate the board wants him gone.
I wonder if all these people complaining would want to be put in that position on a regular basis?
I am just saying, be fair.
May 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I may have just moved into the area, but i am very aware of the bond issue. The bond has not been secret or hidden. Not only has your ELECTED board been discussingthis for several months. It had to get approved by County Council before moving into a referendum phase. I became aware of it six months ago, and I didn’t even live in the the area then. If you think this has been a secret or hidden, then you have been asleep in the areas of local government for nearly a year.
I do not always agree with the administration of the department, but there is no question whatsoever that the current building is a piece of crap. It is not adequate now nor will it accomdate any growth that this area experiences. This is a positive move
A no vote will only stiffle the growth of paid positions. Sooner or Later a building will have to be built. Later will only cost us more money. Construction cost has increased tremendously. The longer we wait the more we will have to pay. This is an infrastructure NEED.
I have some questions about the bond. While I may not hear the answers I would like to hear, it does not take away from the fact that a station is needed now to allow this department to grow with our community and provide effective service.
This issue is about a new headquarters station. The rest of the issues can be resolve by public action in a board meeting. I know that some of you do not like or agree with the current administration. Run for a Board Office. Be part of the solution instead of a part of the problem. Or better yet become a volunteer with the department and actually give some service to your community.
To the Chief and members of the department: Thank you for your service, most of you give your time freely and leave your families. I will be going to Voter registration on Monday to update my address and vote as a absentee. so you know you will one vote in favor of the Bond. I applaud you working to build a facality that will meet our growing demands now and in the future.
May 2, 2008 at 4:00 pm
New Resident, I don’t know where you heard about it. You are well-informed. How exactly did you hear about it?
The board does not need the approval of County Council. County Council said they would not sponsor it, but the board forced it so CC had to allow it. I think the hiding notion comes from the fact that folks showed up on April 21 to the CC meeting to discuss it but someone called and had it taken off the agenda.
Look, I’m not against the firemen or the board or the community. But, this is a poorly planned project. In fact, there is no plan. There is no detail of where the money is going.
If you were going to start a business, would the bank give you a loan if you didn’t have a business plan?
The current building is a piece of crap because they don’t maintain it. They used to have a house next door that they used for training. The wind blew the tin up. They wouldn’t even fix it. Of course, the rain ruined the house and they had to tear it down.
They insist on using propane even thought the gas line runs right by the station. What a waste.
I’ve checked into that house they wanted to turn into a station. I thought folks were just spewing crap, but you can find the deed online. They really did buy a 118,000 house for 130,000. HUH? And, it’s part of the Mountainbrook neighborhood. Just a few questions would have told them that they couldn’t put a station there.
I will be pushing businessmen to run next time instead of firefighters. The wasteful spending is very apparant. Is 300,000 right for the lot they want to build on? I guess they want to build next to Cracker Barrel. I would think the lot on the corner of 221 and 57 would be ideal. Does anyone know if Turner still owns it? Isn’t it still for sale?
May 2, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Thanks John Jacon Jingle -
Finally there is some calm, rational thinking going on. Many of us are not against the fire department at all. We just want to see where the money is going BEFORE we give it to them. As you said - no one will lend you money without knowing where the money is going to be spent beforehand whether it be a home loan or a business loan.
Businessmen on the board would be the ideal solution to MANY of the problems that have been plaguing ALL the departments in the area - not just CSFD. I too will encourage and vote for some new board members with experience in business.
May 2, 2008 at 4:48 pm
John Jacob,
I never even thought about the land at Gossett Road and 57. That would be a great location. I am really thankful people are talking about this. I am sure there are a lot of solutions that would help the fire department and make the residents happy too.
I am not sure about this, but I was thinking that when Bula Thompson died, she left the FD some land (along with all the land she donated for a new park). So maybe some land they already own would work out for a new headquaters and cut some of the cost, hence we would not need this costly bond.
New Resident, I would also like to know how you heard about it and how you plan to change your voter ID and vote in the same day - can you do that?
Pretty much, my problem with this whole bond issue is this:
If…
“At 20 mills we can replace a truck, build a building, pay the men and carry insurance.” ~ Commissioner Easler.
and we are currently at 27 mils, where is the extra 7 going? And why do we need more? It’s simple math, people!
May 2, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Their is a plan for the bond. Like I said before, you need to go to the board meetings and you would know the plan. And yes Don Turner does still own the land at 221 And Gossett Rd. The thing is that they want to sell all 30 acres or non. They want 1.2 mil. for it. You do the math. That would be over half of the bond. The board has done talked to them. And the fire dept. has NOT been left any land. And they do take care of the building that they are in. The firefighters have to work on it dailey. How long do u think it should last? I do agree that they need to be some new board members. Like I said before, their will be 3 seats to vote on in November. Mr. Easler is one of them. He is the main one that needs tto go. He treats the board members, the chief, the firemen, and the public like crap. Please help in getting him out of office.
May 2, 2008 at 9:26 pm
May I ask which board members’ term are up in November? Does anybody know all three? Someone said awhile back that the board is currently short two members. So, will it be three up for reelection and two empty seats to fill or am I reading this wrong?
May 3, 2008 at 4:14 am
PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL USING MY NAME
IT HAS BEEN REPORTED TO ME I GAFFNEY SC that someone is walking a petition in the area using my name and title to, “keep the fire department in Cherokee Springs.”
Let me make myself clear:
I DO NOT LIVE IN CSFD
I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE
I DO NOT CARE WHERE YOU PUT YOUR NEXT FIRE STATION
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR SILLY LOCAL POLITICS THAT HURTS PEOPLE LIKE IT HAS HURT MY DAD AND OTHERS.
I ASK IF YOU USE MY NAME THAT YOU BE GOOD LOOKING, DRIVE A CADILLAC ESCALADE, AND SPEAK WITH A BRITISH ACCENT. IF YOU ARE 20 POUNDS OVER WEIGHT AND DRIVE A FORD BRONCO PLEASE REFRAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO MUCH LIKE ME.
May 3, 2008 at 5:56 am
Eagleman,
Since you know what it feels like to be treated like “crap”, I beg you to go public and run for my dad’s seat. He has spent 30+ years giving a portion of his life to his community as a firefighter and a board member. He also knows what it is like to be treated like “crap.” He will be 69 years old this month,
- He does not own any land to sell to the CSFD
-He has never been emplyed by the CSFD
- He has never been paid any run pay as a volunteer for CSFD (CSFD pays its volunteers!? per call to respond)
During his tenure as a commissioner volunteers have been paid per call, volunteers and employees get retirement, and CSFD employs full time firefighters for the first time in its history.
He can genuinely say that it has cost him to be in the fire department.
Before you go public and run for his seat just know the following things:
1. You will have to shovel a lot of “crap” from people who prefer their own personal interest over the public interest.
2. You will have to get the “crap” beat out of you on a weekly basis from all of the gossip chains in CSFD who want to blame you for everything ( Even the war in Iraq!??)
3. You will be treated without honor and more “like crap” by people you have served for so many years.
Please if your tough enough, run for the seat!
May 3, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Rebecca Brock Voll,
This is to you. You evidently dont have a clue what your talking about. Jesus doesnt need to be brought into this. It isnt allowed in politics for a reason. I am curently a volunteer firefighter just not in this distrrict. I have visited the station though and i must say wow. I dont see how people really sleep there. I hate that they have to sleep there. I cant see how you bring the war into this either. You need to realize the truth. You need to visit their station and tell me if you would sleep ther. Cherokee Springs is a great fire departent and great people work there including the volunteers. The way you are looking at it is completely wrong!!! You should turn around on the things you said and im sure you will if you wouldnt jump into something that you dont have a clue about.
Also it was run in the paper 3 times!!! It is illegal for the fire department to advertise it but I am sure that is was said in the PUBLIC commisioner meetings!!! So evidently if you are so concened in your community you should get involved more!!!
THANK YOU
May 3, 2008 at 11:40 pm
TO F.F.
IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN I DO PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME. YOU HONESTLY HAVE NO CLUE HOW I AM, OR FOR THAT MATTER HOW MUCH I KNOW. I DO KNOW THIS….IF THEY CAN SPEND 2 MILLION DOLLARS ON A NEW FIRE STATION THAT IS NOT NEED, THEN THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY THE VOLENTEERS MORE PER CALL AND THE HIRED WORKERS MORE. THEY CAN ALSO AFFORD TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I ALSO KNOW ONE THING F.F., THERE IS A LOT OF “SNEAKINESS” GOING ON. THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT NO LONGER WITH CSFD BECAUSE OF THIS CRAP BECAUSE OF THIS CRAP. I GROW UP ON THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SEVERAL OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE OR HAVE BEEN A PART OF CSFD. I MYSELF WOULD BE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT LETS SEE..THE WOULDN’T ALLOW A FEMALE, NOW WOULD THEY. I GUESS THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC FOR A LATER DATE. SO PLEASE DON’T TELL ME I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, CAUSE UNTIL YOU KNOW ME OR KNOW WHO I AM YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO ME.
HERES WHAT I THINK ILL DO. ILL RUN FOR COMMISSIONER.
May 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm
TO YOMOMASDADDY.
LIKE I TOLD F.F. YOU DONT KNOW ME AND HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I KNOW. I HAVE SEEN THE FIRE STATION. I HAVE GROW I WAS BORN HERE AND HAVE LIVED NOT EVEN A MILE FROM THE FIRE HOUSE MY WHOLE LIFE. IF THE NEED SOMEWHERE TO SLEEP WHY ONT THE USE THE HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT AND CANT USE…
NOT TO BE HARSH, BUT YOU DONT EVEN LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT SO YOU REALLY HAVE NO SAY SO IN IT, AND FRANKLY DONTD TO PUT YOUR 2 CENTS IN CAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. AS WELL AS A FEW OTHERS ON HERE. YES THEY MIGHT HAVE BENE WTH CSFD BEFORE BUT THEY AREN’T NOW AND NEED TO STAY OUT.
I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK AND I DON’T CARE IF YOU LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I PAY TAXES IN THIS CITY SO THEREFOR I DO HAVE A SAY. UNLIKE YOU.
ABOUT THE WAR, I WAS MAKING A POINT. THE UNITED STATES IS 7 BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT BECAUSE THEY SPEND MONEY THAT THEY DON’T NEED TO BE SPENDING, JUST LIKE CSFD IS DOING NOW. AND MAYBE WE COULD USE A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I DON’T THINK THINGS HAVE BEEN THOUGHT TROUGH ENOUGH.
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK I DON’T KNOW DOESN’T MEAN I DON’T.
May 3, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Now,now Rebecca. Stop yelling with your caps, that doesn’t make it any easier to read or follow.
May 3, 2008 at 11:55 pm
EAGLEMAN.
INSTEAD OF BUILDING LAND FOR A NEW BUILDING, WHY DON’T THEY REMODEL THE ONE THEY HAVE??EVER THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT BUILDING IS A PART OF HISTORY.
May 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm
EAGLEMAN.
INSTEAD OF BUYING LAND FOR A NEW BUILDING, WHY DON’T THEY REMODEL THE ONE THEY HAVE??EVER THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT BUILDING IS A PART OF HISTORY.
May 3, 2008 at 11:58 pm
IM NOT YELLING WITH MY CAPS. I LIKE WRITING THIS WAY. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS??
May 4, 2008 at 12:08 am
ONE MORE THING YOMOMASDADDY..
GOD HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. IF IT WASN’T FOR HIM YOU ‘WOULDN’T BE HERE TO FIGHTING WITH ME ABOUT THINGS.
May 4, 2008 at 1:21 am
Greetings to all,
My name is Nemo. I am a firefighter/EMT is Spartanburg County. I do NOT live in Cherokee Springs Fire District. I once served the Cherokee Springs community as a paid full time employee. Now, as a firefighter in another district, I have served with CSFD in a mutual aid capacity. I pass two signs that dictate to the public to “VOTE NO” on the soon coming referendum. The sign doesn’t ask anyone to research or ask questions. It just tells the voters of your district to vote “NO.”
I am so pleased and encouraged that the group/organization that put those signs up have opened a forum for much more thoughtful debate. In the great spirit of the democratic process I am thrilled that so many people are researching the needs of their department, so please allow me to chime in. Here are some thoughts, in no certain arrangement as to import:
***Heidi Kerns Says:
April 29, 2008 at 3:04 pm
votecherokeesprings - “Anonymity is sometimes key to dissent.” Sorry but I call BS on this one.
Ms. Kearns, anonymity is our priviledge. Our first fire chief practiced this often. Ms. Silence Dogood often wrote the newpaper with concerns in “her” community. By Ms. Dogood I am referring to the nation’s first fire chief, Benjamin Franklin. So please allow me to make use of this precedence.
*** According to the U.S. Fire Administration, this week alone there have been over 28 fire deaths. This is counting only reported structure fires with fatalities. The number will increase for the recorded dates as more reports are confirmed. This is just a little tidbit of information – food for thought. Research our own county, and one will notice that Spartanburg county has had the dubious pleasure of leading our state in fire deaths more than once in the past decade. Going back the numbers provided by the USFA, in 2006 there was a fire death on average of every 3 hours nation wide. There were 45 civilian fire related injuries every day for that same year. Direct property loss for that year was estimated to be 11.3 billion dollars. These numbers are assumed to include commercial values as well. If that is the case, consider that less than 67% of businesses rebuild in the same area IF they stay in business at all. That can hurt any district’s taxbase!!!
*** Pastor in the woods has a good point when he mentions the price of a basic fire truck begins on average of three hundred thousand dollars. Depending on the quality of the manufacturer the price will be even more. Needing a larger tank? Add $$$. Needing a 4,5, or 6 man cab? Add more $$$. Investing in an apparatus is a tedious process that requires the mix of mechanics, driver/operators, firefighters, and officers. Added to that recipe these people are expected to see into the future. They must design a vehicle that will be fully functioning for a decade or more. NOW add to this the cost of placing hose, extrication equipment, halligan tools, axes, flashlights, accountability devices, radios, and so many other tools. This is a tremendous responsibility and the group that gets this job done perfectly doesn’t exist! Any firefighter can tell you this.
*** jane doe Says:
May 1, 2008 at 8:37 pm
if they do raise the taxes 2mil. on $100,000 home that’s around $8. That’s lunch at Southern BBQ ONE TIME
Ms. Doe you are on the right track. Lets look at what’s going on nation wide in the fire service. Most progressive fire department leaders will tell you that the “ordinary” (this term is used ever so carefully) house fire qill require the use of 21 fully trained firefighters. Gone are the days of “John Wayne-ing” a house fire.
Of Course there is not a county department that provide that quality of service here in Spartanburg. Oh how I live for that day!!!
But Seriously, consider how that $8.oo is spent when repsonding to an incident. Remember your money is paying for the paid firefighters and all their training and expertise. Now, also include the cost of training the volunteers also. Ok, add to that cost of apparatus and fuel. Adding again the cost of PROPERLY clothing these firefighters. This alone will be an average cost of over $1200 per individual. Now continue to add: the cost of a thermal imaging camera because I am sure you will want us to quicky find anyone inside of the burning building, the cost of tools that allow us to search, ventilate, and extinguish. Also please include the cost of breathing equipment and firefighter safety device because every firefighter wants to go home at the end of their day.
Now add the cost of all these variables. For a few lunches at the very fine Southern BBQ a resident of your community is getting a GREAT DEAL!
John Jacob Jingle Says:
May 2, 2008 at 4:00 pm
The current building is a piece of crap because they don’t maintain it. They used to have a house next door that they used for training. The wind blew the tin up. They wouldn’t even fix it. Of course, the rain ruined the house and they had to tear it down
Mr. Jacob Jingle: No offense to you sir. But I wish to take issue with your statement as well. As to the building that was once next door the the main station. I have to laugh at your statement. That building was used for the purpose of exercises in forcible entry and seaarch and rescue. I know this because I served your community and had the terrible experience of training there. Sir, that building was unsafe in it’s construction. It was dangerous just to enter! Because I am a firefighter do I have to train in a building that is in danger of collapsing? That building was inspected by DHEC, and found to contain usafe levels of absestos! Because I am a firefighter do you expect me to train in a hazordous environment? Sir, I can gurrantee you that if a firefighter was injured on that “training ground” that the repercussions would include lawsuits against the department,the training officers, the officers, the chief, the department, and the district! Please understand that NO professional or volunteer firefighter deserves to train in those evirons. We train to be safe. We train to go home to our families.
Now as to the current building being “a piece of crap.” Well your description falls short. And I am sure you were being modest in wording! And I would agree with several adjectives that can be used to describe it! But, that being said. The current condition of the building is not ONLY because of poor care. One should remember that building was constructed in the 1960’s. Added on several times. Apparatus bays moved to different areas. But I promise you, NO firefighter is proud of a messy home. We take great pride in our stations. They reflect a community and it’s character. But Sir, I was there when we got air condition! But I had to help install it, to help keep costs down to the community. One can only mop a cement floor so much. The firefighters who are there now have to stay in poor conditions. That is a shame.
Well, I have said my piece. Again, I appreciate those who have provided this opportunity to exchange opinions. As I said earlier, I do not live in your district, I have fight fire in your community. So I feel that I have a small piece to say. I will see you there Monday night. I only want to hear for myself what will be said.
-Nemo
omnis cedo domus!
May 4, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Thank you for your civil and educated response. YOUBEWISE Nemo!!!
May 4, 2008 at 4:11 pm
SINCE SOME OF YOU CAN’T REFRAIN FROM TAKING THE VOTE NO SIGNS DOWN. I WILL BE PLACING ONE IN MY YARD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU MOVE IT THEN. IT’S ILLEGAL YOU KNOW?
May 4, 2008 at 6:00 pm
YOU GO REBECCA! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I DARE ANY OF YOU TO TRY TO TAKE HER SIGNS DOWN! PUT UP 30 AND SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND WATCH THEM. THAT WILL SHOW UM’
May 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TEH EXISTING BUILDING? IT SHOULD BE HISTORY ALRIGHT! IT WOULD TAKE 2.1 MILLION TO MAKE IT LIVABLE.
THE INFORMATION I HAVE SAYS WITH 2.1 MILLION THEY PLANE TO
1. PURCHASE LAND
2.BUILD A STATION
3.FURNISH A STATION
4.DO SOME REMODELLING TO EXISTING STATIONS.
TO ME THAT IS NOT ALOT OF MONEY TO DO ALL THAT. STOP, BREATH, THINK
May 4, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I “THINK” someone is going to be late for church.
May 4, 2008 at 6:49 pm
WELL SINCE I FOUND OUT THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE 21 TO RUN FOR COMMISSIONER I WILL BE RUNNING!!
May 4, 2008 at 8:57 pm
To Rebecca: I am writing to make you aware that CSFD does allow females in their department. Both as Volunteers and as Paid Staff.
I am unsure where you got the idea they do not allow females. I myself am a female firefighter. I have both volunteered with CSFD as well as been a paid staff member in the past.
I just wanted to clarify this with other readers.
Regardless of what you think and what some others are saying on this site, CSFD has some great members and volunteers. They truly take pride in what they have to work with and do the absolute best they can given the situation.
To all others who are against this referendum:
More money has been spent on this website and the signs around the district than it would cost the individuals who paid for them one year of the tax increase - I am sure these items cost more than several years payment from a tax increase!
Many comments made on this site are against the commission board and the chief. Yet a vote against the referendum is only hurting you, your district and your firefighters.
No upgrades (whether it a new station and/or upgrading the existing one) can create turn over in staff/volunteers. Would you want to continue to work in an environment where you sleep in an office setting? Would you want to work in a building that is run down and falling apart despite all the efforts the members make to correct/fix/repair things?
Turn over in staff/volunteers creates a backwards step due to having to train new members. Making sure they know the trucks, the stations, the district. Therefore spending your money because you voted no.
The current “staff” at CSFD are a phenomenal group of people who truly care for the department and the district. They literally bust their butts daily making sure the community is safe in every way they can.
I am sure all this negativity being thrown their way has to be like letting the wind out of their sails. They come to work everyday and put their lives on the line. Their families sacrifice every time this CSFD member responds to a call. Many would have given up the fight and moved on. Firefighters in Spartanburg County have the ability to travel between departments often.
But this current group has hung in there for a long time.
I sure would hate for the community to suffer due to an issue with the Commission Board and Chief.
I strongly recommend you to vote YES to the referendum. Get the extra money for the new station and whatever equipment to stock it.
Next - go for the replacement of the commissioners and/or chief since they seem to be the target of all this.
Trust me… I will tell you this.. without improvements to the department as a whole, there will be no one wanting to take the place of the people you want out.
Please just take a minute to think about what the future holds. No improvements can result in many setbacks within the department.
A Female Firefighter in Spartanburg County….
May 4, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Maybe we need a county appointed Board of Fire control. Becouse it sounds like to me there has been no planing for the future from any of CSFD Leaders.
May 4, 2008 at 10:12 pm
John Doe Says:
May 4, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Maybe we need a county appointed Board of Fire control. Becouse it sounds like to me there has been no planing for the future from any of CSFD Leaders.
Now there is an idea!!!! With all due respect to the leadership of the CSFD, I have to say that a county wide board would be a GREAT idea. Actually, it’s one that has already been explored. But there is ALOT of disagreement from the locals that basically boils down to their not wanting to push forward to a more modern fire service.
In order to go county wide Spartanburg would have to establish minimum requirements for top leadership positions. For example, Chiefs would be required to have upper level management training and college education. That is a bone of contention with more than one chief in our county. Another issue is that many of the county departments (CSFD included) are Special Purpose Districts. This provides them with little or no direct accountablilty to anyone other than the local board of commissioners. To go county wide, these SPD’s would have to be erased by the state. Again, a problem here is that no one would want to loose there own kingdom.
Consider that there are more fire engines in our county than we have trained and qualified personnel to man them. Local districts can purchase any type of truck — brush,rescue,tanker,ladder or engine. Even though surrounding districts may already have more than enough, but lack the foresight and funds to maintain these.
Another issue to consider( And there are MANY MORE) is the fact that fire departments nation wide are now having to be more accountable to national standards. In addition to NFPA standards, departments are having to train ALL members in national response plans and National Incident Management Systems.
Now imagine a county wide department where paid personnl are distributed evenly supporting the local volunteer base. In a structure fire a department would be dispatched along with the closest departments to provide additional suppression assistance and the REQUIRED RIT team. The safety factor increases exponetially!
The idea of a county wide department is a perfect solution. Accountablilty will be increased. Effecient use of tax monies would increase. Firefighter safety would be increased. Districts that are struggling will be helped.
It’s a win for everyone.
The leadership of Spartanburg must take the reigns.
May 5, 2008 at 10:23 am
I look forward to seeing all of you truly concerned about our safety and the Cherokee Springs Fire District at the meeting tonight at 7pm.
I had hoped this would not turn personal and ugly, but as usual with politics and taxation in this area it has, despite or in spite of any facts. I only participated in the exchange in hopes to get information to make an informed decision before the vote tomorrow. For some reason, I was the only one quoted in the paper today from the blog (thank goodness the quote was accurate). Although the name of this blog was not vote “no”, all of the signage is only that, so obviously that was the intent of this initiative. I truly wish it had been just an impartial attempt to inform the district so that it did not become devisive to the community like it has now because we will all have to deal with these trust issues for years to come.
I certainly hope none of my comments have negatively affected the work of any of our hard-working firefighters and individuals who cared enough to serve as commissioners. As one comment said, these people are not lawyers or accountants and either hire professionals like they did in this case (McNair Law Firm - renowned for their quality work with bond referendums) to try and make the best proposal that they can, or they depend on qualified individuals to offer to run for commissioner posit